My brief comment: ...-and my pre-apology for offending anyone...but I must speak the truth, who likes it or not! NO!
NO! NO!... to most of what poor confused, though no doubt in his own
mind, his 'righteous positions', Hegumen Andrei pathetically spouts
here, as he is being utilized by the other schism makers here in N.
"THE FEAR OF GOD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM!" and, "Where the bishop is, there is the Church! I
cannot agree with hardly anything he asserts as the truth here. His
thoughts and words are very out of order and untrue and/or simply
and peculiar anti-bishop vision of the church is something bordering on
a fantasy version, one not corresponding to the realities we face
today.... nor indeed accurately reflecting on the harsh historical
realities in past church life, throughout the last approximately 2000
years, – which is why, we have so many canons, and the God appointed
authority of the bishops to apply or to enforce them,
and in Orthodox Monarchies, enforced also by the heavy hand of the
secular Imperial Authorities too!... who arrested and imprisoned and
banished or executed church trouble-makers, in both Byzantium and
Imperial Russia.... indeed in every Orthodox country.
is a sort of a utopian nihilist anarchist, [i.e. let everyone do as
he pleases without any restraints] and clearly a monk and a priest who
will not accept any bishop's authority. He and his fellow church destroyers are thus, 'self-holy'. Yet
the current schism makers here, hope to get him made a bishop, by some
hands, [only God knows who!], and to be an 'episcopal' leader of their
new uncanonical vagante 'church', as also they plan for, with the aid of
Sofrony, and Andronik Kotlaroff, and Choir Director Mark Kotlaroff (?)
too, they all have the further arrogant delusion of hoping for and
appealing for of their schism...getting the GOC's blessing for what
they are doing, which would be a profound and utterly uncanonical
interference into our internal ROCA church affairs, of the GOC of
Greece, and thus for them, to be seen as ..aiding our internal schism. That is most unlikely to happen, as it would break apart our, much
valued by all, current fraternal unity, to the world-wide detriment of
all of our sister churches...and to the joy of the MP.
that he alleges against Met. Agafangel and our other honorable ROCA
bishops, is pure malicious slander and indeed, libel. HE DOESN'T KNOW
WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!!! : "He speaks with a tongue that has no bone
in it"... a Russian, Old-Believer saying, which fits him.
our honorable and deeply self-sacrificing and DEDICATED bishops are
struggling to hold together our little WORLD-WIDE TINY REMNANT [especially in this time of war, an immoral war which neo-soviet KGB
dictator V. Putin has pushed on Ukraine], of the old once free Russian
Church Abroad, Fr. Andrei, sitting safely in Australia, is lost in his
own make-believe pretend fantasy dream-world of what... he thinks...
'the ideal church'... should be... all about... an imaginary perfect
church which has never existed on this earth.... NEVER!
Struggle and conflict have always been a part of Christian Church life... which is why Bishops are necessary.
In reality, Fr. Andrei rejects the authority of both the sacred canons and of our bishops....both God ordained and Apostolic.
WHO IS HE? In
which case then, WHO is left to keep peace and order and to oversee the
church?....himself?... and his fellow schismatic church destroyers?
He is some sort of a product of Soviet-Russian-culture, a Protestantizer rebel against lawful Orthodox episcopal authority.
He would have also rebelled against Holy Patriarch Tikhon too!
paints a picture of himself, as... himself being the learned and wise
and pious arbiter and judge over our bishops, indeed, over any bishops.
as a priest, wants/no doubt, demands, devotion and full obedience from
the laity who go to him for the sacraments, but ..he... will not be
obedient to his superior, the Metropolitan and our Synod.
Rather, he slanders them.
What kind of an Orthodox priest, or monk (worse yet) is that???
of the schism-makers here, are of that same impious and arrogant
self-deluded and self-centered SELFISH, power-hungry anti-Orthodox
mindset. And both they
and Fr. Andrei paint a picture of our metropolitan and our other
bishops, of crass, power and money grubbing dictators, and all ..evil
willed vile men.
is how nihilists and anarchists [the atheist mindset] see all earthly
powerful persons, and institutions and governments.... and most
especially, churches. And to my view [and I have closely studied them over these years, including the malicious and false attacks of their enemies], of
what decisions our Metropolitan and other bishops have made in these
past few years, all of them have been correct, and right, and ones which
they HAD to pronounce, to protect our flock.... while being put under
endless malicious attacks from all sides.. no matter what they have done
or said...or not ...said or not done.
DEFAMATION is our metropolitan and our other honorable bishops reward,
for their tireless struggles to run and to hold our world-wide flock
Hegumen Andrei is guilty of this, over the past years. SHAME! on him! SHAME! Which decisions of our bishops does wise Fr. Andrei find are flawed?...I would like him to list them, and to give his version of what ...he... would have done, or would do now, as
then we will clearly see, what he believes in or who he supports...a
true picture of his own mind and soul. When we see that, then he will
prove that he is not a pious Orthodox monk or priest.
my mind, Fr. Andrei, the monk and the priest and the icon-painter, is
living in profound pride, prelest, and in his own private make-believe
conceited world of delusional ideas as to what his perfect earthly church should be...but which IT IS NOT, all about. He is just another ordained clerical curse on our struggling church, a mistaken priestly ordination.
This is but another piece of evidence that we are indeed now, in the End Times, where:
"Shall there be found faith anywhere upon the earth?"..and when men shall ask: "But... WHERE IS THE CHURCH?"
this earth, there has NEVER been the perfect church [ the New Testament
epistles testify to this], ...that we are called to, for us to aim
at, and to become, through THEOSIS and REPENTANCE, a part of,... but
which exists only in Heaven, the Heavenly Church of the Saints, of the
St. Paul said: "Ye are called to be saints!".. yet in fact, sadly most of us are NOT!
On earth here, CHRIST-GOD has ordained that we be TAUGHT and GUIDED and directed and ruled FIRMLY by strong BISHOPS, THE SUCCESSORS OF THE APOSTLES!, who have the power of the Holy Spirit, who
teach the faith, and who reward the good doers, and who punish the evil
doers... and have to sometimes, remove and excommunicate the evil doers
from our church, THE BISHOPS! who must keep order in the church. Once
too, Orthodox Monarchs also kept, by physical force, that order. Now, we
have none of them.
yes, if a bishop departs from the Faith, then that one, we Orthodox
must reject and flee from Vl. Metropolitan Agafangel and our other
honorable bishops, have NOT been guilty of that, of apostasy.
regretable bishops and priests, who betrayed the Orthodox Faith by
their 2007 submission to anti-Christ, THEY did go into apostasy, and
THEM we must reject and flee from,... as so orders our canons, the
Patristic Fathers, and Holy Scripture.
suspect that this product of soviet culture, this Fr. Andrei Erastov,
does not really have a traditional/accurate a vision of genuine or
Patristic Orthodoxy. His words here prove it.
along with the other current impious church-wreckers, are the New
Testament church-dissemblers that St. Paul told us to cast out of our
midst, and for the Orthodox people to avoid and to shun. That casting
out, is the DUTY of our bishops so to do.
He spends six hours per average day, painting icons, and most of them for the ROCOR/MP churches in Australia.
Perhaps they are also paying him, to make trouble in our church, and to drive us to the MP?
he seems to have a very imperfect and flawed knowledge as to the exact
problems here in N. America, OR of the problems in Russia or Ukraine or
in Europe, as he seems to swallow whole, what the church destroyers
relate to him. And much of their erroneous information as to what goes on in Russia or Ukraine, is straight from the Putin propaganda machine!
infers, clearly, that he is on the side of those who left our church
in Russia, and.. automatically...blaming our metropolitan and our other
honorable bishops, for what THOSE PEOPLE have done wrong. Astounding
ignorance and unashamed self-righteous judgementalism ! Is this a
product of his 'monastic' life?
My picture of our honorable Metropolitan Agafangel and our other honorable Synod of Bishops: THEY
ARE NAILED TO THEIR OWN CROSSES and ARE CO-SUFFERING WITH CHRIST!...and
those doing this to them, are of the Sanhedrin of the Ungodly....the
all-knowing and all-wise Fr. Andrei and his fellow impious cohorts in
this schism game, know better than our bishops,...about everything. Or,
do they??? SHAME!
on them all! and may Almighty GOD [Whom they clearly do not believe in
nor fear), STOP ALL OF THEM!, in this world and the next.
May at least some of them, repent. Just my observations- Rd. Daniel Everiss in Oregon
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English version- both language versions, the work of Fr. Andrei
Hegumen Andrei Erastov – After the Odessa Synod
July 27, 2016
the root of the current conflict within the ROCA lies different
understandings of the Church’s dogma; so different that people simply do
not understand each other.
The Church is the Body of Christ. The Church is not led by people who are bishops, but by the Holy Spirit. Metropolitan Vitaliy of venerable memory said,
when bishops issue their ukases, they must then listen closely with
their spiritual sense of hearing; what effect did the ukase have on the
Church, does the body of the Church, the church members, accept this
ukase or reject it. In the latter case, the ukase remains no more than a
sheet of paper in the archives. This is the how
the interaction occurs between those heading the Church, the bishops,
and the body of the Church, the people. This interaction is a
spiritual, mystical process; it cannot be explained logically or contained in some formal framework.
Agafangel and his minions understand the Church as an earthly
organization with a hierarchical structure similar to an army.
Metropolitan Agafangel likes to talk about church discipline, which he
understands as unquestioning obedience to himself.
Alas, the Church is not an army. Obedience in the Church is not founded on coercion and fear, but on well-meaning, free persuasion and love.
MetropolitanAgafangel’sactionsinthelastfewyearscanbecharacterized as a ceaseless warring with the church members. How can the head battle with its own body? The Church does not accept the ukases of the Odessa synod and rejects them as a foreign element. Sadly, MetropolitanAgafangelseesinthistheschemes of his enemies and battles endlessly with the body of the church, hacking off from it yet more and more parts.
has established a personal dictatorship in the Church. Obedient
bishops of his Synod approve of all of his actions and decisions
indiscriminately. Asaresult, themetropolitanofourChurchhasassumedpower similar to the power of the Pope in Rome. Suchasituationiscompletelyagainst the canons and contradicts the very principle of the canonical rights of the Orthodox Church. Note that the fall of the Church of Romeoccurred precisely because of the Pope’s claim of complete dominance in the Church.
Punishment awaits anyone who dares to protest against such a state of affairs. MetropolitanAgafangel is used to judging and punishing those who demand an ecclesiastical court judgment of the metropolitan. Thisisaflagrantabuseoftheprincipleofjustice, whether civil or ecclesiastical. Thisisallaccompaniedwithsprinklings of quotes from the Holy Scriptures and references to the Holy Canons.
The canons were created by
the Holy Fathers for the enlightenment of the Church, so that life in
the Church flowed in accordance with God’s truth and mercy. It is just
the opposite with MetropolitanAgafangel, where injustice is blasphemously confirmed by scriptural quotes.
Yet this is not the worst of it.
Devil has always fought with the Church by creating fraudulent copies
of the Church. Such forgeries have been and are still all the heretical
groups, who pass themselves off as the Church. A more nuanced forgery was sergianism, which looked canonical and Orthodox, but was in essence an anti-church.
Synod is a similar sham. With each time, the sessions of the Odessa
synod look more and more like some disfigured parody. Scripture tells
us, the Church is “the pillar and foundation of the truth.” (1 Timothy 3:15).
Can this be said of our synod? Falsehoods are presented as truth,
coercion and vengeance as righteous judgment, hypocrisy and
self-interest as pastoral care. By their actions they renounce the Gospel, they renounce the teachings of Christ.
What is most horrible about the Odessa synod is their unanimity, unanimity in falsehood.
Our conscience cannot abide with such a situation. We do not have a disagreement on some secondary question, we have a fundamental disagreement. Our duty before our flock demands that we clearly announce our relation to the synod of MetropolitanAgafangel, that this is not the administration of the Church, but a sham.
rule of the Council of Constantinople stipulates that not commemorating
your metropolitan is allowed only in that instance, if he professes
some heresy. It must be noted, that the canons were developed as a
result of real, not hypothetical situations. Therefore, the canons could not foresee everything that may occur in the Church. For example, a development like Sergianism was not anticipated by the canons.
Sergianism is more horrible than any heresy. As one new martyr characterized it, it is the attempt to unite Christ with Belial. Sergianism, though,
is not a dogmatic heresy, but more of a religious and morale one. That
is why in 1927, it was not easy for many to decide to separate from
Met. Sergey (Stragorodskiy).
The canons are written for the ecumenical, conciliar Church.The canons do not provide for the separate, independent existence of a small church structure such as ours. According to the canons, any bishop, regardless of what cathedra he leads,
can be called before the ecclesiastical court by a higher church body.
That is not possible for us, because we are a small, independent part
of the Russian Church, which is held captive by sergianists.
accordance with the Status of the ROCA, a metropolitan can be tried by
the ROCA Council of Bishops under the chairmanship of a senior bishop. Unfortunately, in our circumstances, such a trial can simply become yet another farce.
A canonical way out of this stalemate does not exist. A separation is unavoidable, just as it was unavoidable in 1927 for those who broke with Met. Sergey.